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rabies

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a woman shouldn't have to be hit by a

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car to learn that she may have rabies

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but that is where we are in america and

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that does not sit right

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with me and that is why i am hosting a

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fun run race for the cure for rabies to

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raise awareness of the fact that there

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is a cure for rabies a disease that has

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been largely eradicated in the u.s

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not very many people know that

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there is simply no proof that there is a

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virus called rabies

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that causes the dogs to go nuts there's

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there is no scientific proof of that

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that's a story

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so of course that first clip was steve

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carell from the office but the second

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one was from today's guest michael

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wallach who joined me to talk about his

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new documentary series

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the viral delusion hope you enjoy the

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sacaris

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and today we're joined by documentary

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filmmaker and creator of the new series

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the viral delusion

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mike blick

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and joining us as well is mike stone who

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interesting guy knowledgeable guy knew

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about the film and mike invited mike

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along to kind of add maybe some input on

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some of the more technical scientific

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parts but i have a feeling that

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mr wallock will be able to handle a lot

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of that himself so

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to both of you thanks so much for being

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alex thanks for having us you know the

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part of the reason of making the of

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making this documentary series was to be

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able to have conversations like this and

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uh so i'm really thrilled to be on

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great well i just couldn't agree more

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and you know i wanted to

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documentary but i also want to read this

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part because i think this is really

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the the energy and the spirit that i'm

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totally in sync with you guys on and i

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we have to always step back and realize

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powerful and unique what you're saying

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is here no matter where we go in this

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discussion because we might not always

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agree on everything but here's from your

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as scary as our times are they're

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pregnant with possibility the

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possibility for a wider understanding of

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our health and our politics the

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possibility of working together to free

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ourselves from misguided medical

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authorities disastrous health protocols

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and the corruption in injustice that

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leads to poor access to healthy food

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limited access to fresh clean water

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dwindling opportunities to breathe fresh

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and the unstopped toxification of our

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planet

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the known cause of disease

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well-written powerful stuff

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it's maybe even the jumping off point

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where you guys are coming from any

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comment on that

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no i mean you know if they're i'm really

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glad you pointed this out because if

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be that paragraph

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that's that's exactly what what we're

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trying to focus on and even though we

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so-called science of virology at the end

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of the day it's really simple

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that is it's it's living in a clean

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environment it's eating good food it's

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drinking clean water it's breathing

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clean air that's where we get health

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concerted effort to distract us from

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that uh that virology has played a huge

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background and then how you came to this

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sure so i mean to go way back i used to

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intelligence analyst for the state

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department

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everything i was doing was being misused

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uh so it quit and uh i was really

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filmmaking so i got into uh i got into

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screenwriting and and i've done yeah

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years now as a screenwriter but i would

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say from a medical perspective my

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journey really began uh when my wife

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strange growths on her knee

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the time and we went to you know all the

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top rheumatologists in new york city and

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good cane because you're never going to

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of her walking down sixth avenue with

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regular pers you know prescribed

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treatments and he started his own little

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athlete and my wife was sort of laughed

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peeling on the walls she said yeah said

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standard medical doctors you know nyu

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colombia all these sort of supposedly

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he said it pales in comparison to the

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medical scam just of lipitor just to

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this one cholesterol drug that he was

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most people that's like ancient history

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it you know we don't have to all be

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desanitizing our hands constantly and we

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medical research for years and years and

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what solved the smallpox problem okay i

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thankfully vaccination came along and

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you know we don't have to worry about

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you know smallpox anymore but that's if

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you look at the historical record that's

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just not the case and and i i already

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knew that piece

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what i didn't

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know what i had never even been exposed

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to

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was the idea that these diseases

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weren't even viral diseases that that

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the the entire concept of a virus

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was a

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essentially not it's not supported by

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real science it's supported

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by pseudoscience by what looks like

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science to a casual observer but when

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you look at it closely doesn't meet the

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criteria of natural science and

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essentially it's a story it's a fiction

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that we're told so

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i first

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was exposed to that idea

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uh

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something about the rooster and the

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something

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and and and all of a sudden sort of half

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the story began to click

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and i said oh my god of course if

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they're not if these diseases aren't

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driven by a virus well then of course

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vaccination wouldn't have had anything

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to do with them and of course the other

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explanations that i was aware of made

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sense

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right

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and and then it began this whole journey

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of like well

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if that's true what about aids

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you know

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what about herpes what about some of

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these other you know diseases that we so

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commonly and so instinctively think are

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virally caused and so i had to go

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through a whole journey where i'm i'm

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sort of very stubborn like

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i i have to i have to sort of unwrap

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everything and try to get to the bottom

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of it

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and what i found time and time again was

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that there was an entire history that

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we're just not taught

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okay so here's where i think it gets

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interesting for you and i and it's the

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part i i want to focus on because i do

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want people to check out again the viral

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delusion film and the website

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but there's a certain headspace that

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we're getting into that is kind of

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interesting when we start parsing it out

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because like i said a lot of stuff

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you're saying right there i agree with i

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mean one the hiv aids thing we did a

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show on this a couple years ago you know

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the epidemiological data doesn't really

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support that in terms of support it

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supports the idea that we don't fully

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understand the connection between hiv

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and aids if there is such a connection

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and it's like the their own data that we

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collected from

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people in the military who are joining

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the military and we're getting

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astronomical amounts of testing positive

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for hiv and they're not aids and the

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demographics of those are really weird

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african-american women 20 times more

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likely you know this doesn't fit with

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what we're supposed to know about this

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viral cause disease of aids so there's a

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lot of

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kind of things to be explained but i

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want to kind of penetrate through

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a lot of the noise and the clutter in

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order to get to some of the core issues

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so i sent you this email about rabies

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because i think rabies in a lot of ways

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kind of cuts through it because now

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we're talking about something that isn't

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isn't it just in humans it's in animals

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i could have sent you uh something about

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uh viruses in tobacco plants too right

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because farmers have all this problem so

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again this kind of no virus thing starts

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looking a little bit weird when we say

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wait a minute you mean there's there's

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no such thing as rabid dogs so i sent

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you the email here's what you wrote me

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back

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people will get it

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hi alex yes there is no proof of any

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virally caused disease including rabies

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your story is a classic example of the

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tragic consequences of a misbelief in

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virally caused disease it happens sadly

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all the time and the tragedy of it

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becomes quite clear once you begin to

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understand what's going on of course i

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don't know all the details but most

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likely your dog picked up worms

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that went undiagnosed by the vet and

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then you say studies show that thirty to

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ninety percent of cases go unrecognized

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by vets and which of course can cause

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strange behavior and dog

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and then you say who then the vet

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believing the contagious rabies myth

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went on to conservatively suggest your

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dog be needlessly put down

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it's really sad

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so

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i'm like mike

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this is kind of a maybe you want to just

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kind of go over that a little bit i mean

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how do you square that with the history

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of rabies which has been around you know

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for like

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2 000 years

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middle ages you know we have all these

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pictures i'm pulling up on the screen of

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you know if you see a dog and it's

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foaming at the mouth and it's really

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angry don't go near that dog it'll bite

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you and you'll die

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i mean

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you're saying that there's no such thing

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as rabies

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i i just think a lot of people are going

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to kind of put a full

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pump the brakes now and say i was with

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you on a lot of the things you're saying

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germ theory versus terrain theory but

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now you're saying there's no virally

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caused diseases and even things that we

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commonly understand like rabies that

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isn't that isn't real i i think a lot of

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people are gonna have a hard time with

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that one

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so uh this is great i love this stuff

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okay so we have to separate out the

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symptom the symptoms

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from the story about what caused those

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symptoms

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okay so

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do we have this the have we seen

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you know ravenous dogs or you know full

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salivating dogs or angry dogs

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yeah obviously

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obviously we've seen that right we could

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call that rabies that's fine we could

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say

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you know there's been you know these

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kinds of dogs or dogs in this kind of

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situation for for thousands of years i'm

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sure there have i would never dispute

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that what what

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what

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in uh

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you know the mid 1800s then came along

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and said

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was that he uh could invent a vaccine

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to cure

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people who had been bitten by these dogs

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okay pasteur was a a

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a figure that you know we can talk about

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and

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he uh

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a very fraudulent figure i mean uh

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you know mike stone maybe maybe can jump

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in as well and talking about uh you know

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the depth of the fraud of pasteur but he

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essentially just so people know he uh

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he's a seminal figure in in you know the

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history of medicine

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and what people don't know is that he

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kept two sets of notebooks

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he kept a public set of notebooks and a

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private set of notebooks the private set

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of notebooks he left to his family

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in his will and it said do not ever show

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this to anyone outside of the family but

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uh one of his descendants decided that

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that was

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nuts

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and gave those notebooks over to a uh

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professor of history at uh at princeton

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who then wrote uh a sort of tell-all

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book about pasteur and and exposed many

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of these notes so like something that we

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know about the history of rabies and

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vaccination

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is that uh while he had claimed

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uh

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acknowledged to himself that he had no

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idea if that was true

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uh but he had sort of ginned up a fear

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about rabies uh in france at the time

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uh and then the big sales pitch came

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when a kid was bitten a nine-year-old

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kid was bitten by a dog nobody even

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alleged that this dog was had rabies but

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uh he uh there was a fear that it might

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have and so he gave his uh inoculations

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to this kid and the kid did not go crazy

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right the kid did not get raped

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what was not told was that there were

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two other people that were bitten by

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that dog including his dad

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uh who were not given the inoculations

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who also were perfectly fined afterwards

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and this is the this is kind of a

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classic example of the level of

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pseudoscience that we're

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constantly bombarded with where we're

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only told half the story and it looks

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like a great success so the question is

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not

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you know are there crazy doll are there

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dogs that go nuts the question is what

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is the actual cause of that and the the

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there is simply no proof that there is a

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virus called rabies

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that causes the dogs to go nuts there's

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just

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there is no scientific proof of that

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that's a story

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so i pulled up on the screen here a

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graph that shows

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the number of rabies cases both in

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humans and in

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domestic animals

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and what it shows is that like virtually

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now today there are uh no cases of

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rabies in domestic

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animals and dogs you know that just

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doesn't exist

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uh it used to be much more common and

532
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again so we're talking about

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like the the film the viral delusion is

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talking about as we said at the

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beginning this enormously

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freaking crazy

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health scam that we've lived through the

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last couple years so one of the things

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i'm trying to do with the rabies example

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is pull us out of that time frame

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because again rabies hundreds of years

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1947 is the time when we started mass

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vaccinating dogs

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and then as this graph shows there's

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just this huge drop-off in the number of

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cases of rabies from 1947 so then we

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have 48 49 60 63 you know this is like

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decades and decades whereas today we

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don't have it and then if you look at

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other countries like mexico this craft

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doesn't look like this because they have

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a lot more wild dogs

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dogs running in the streets a lot more

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dogs contracting rabies and a lot more

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people getting rabies when they are

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bitten by dogs if you go over in india

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it's the same only there they have this

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superstitious belief that if you get bit

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by a dog it's some kind of a spirit that

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the dog possesses you kind of think so

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again in the same way that we've looked

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at some of the data from covet and it's

563
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,919
very revealing when you look at the

564
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,400
differences in country by country we can

565
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,200
apply the same thing here with rabies it

566
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,480
doesn't at all conform to what you're

567
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,960
saying what it says is it perfectly

568
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:17,200
lines up with the conclusion that this

569
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,360
is a viral disease that can kill animals

570
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,600
and if people are infected it kills

571
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,000
people and the other thing is that the

572
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,559
treatment for rabies now fortunately if

573
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,480
you're bit by a skunk walking through

574
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,720
the woods and you think that skunk may

575
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:33,440
have

576
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,559
had rabies you can go in and there they

577
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,159
will give you the treatment and you will

578
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,000
never get rabies there's virtually a

579
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,559
hundred percent success rate with that

580
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,559
treatment and if you go in other parts

581
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,320
of the world that's not the case there's

582
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,320
still people dying

583
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,720
of rabies and the reason i'm focusing so

584
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,400
much on rabies

585
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,640
is again i think it takes us

586
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,640
to a different place especially since

587
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,120
it's not even our species it's these

588
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,120
other animals that we're familiar with

589
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,960
but i don't know maybe this is not going

590
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,400
to get through and penetrate the way

591
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,840
that i want it to but those are the

592
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,440
numbers i'm showing the graphic that's

593
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,280
okay anyone wants to look at it

594
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,360
that's great you know look i we didn't

595
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:13,600
cover rabies in the documentary so you

596
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,400
know

597
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,919
i can't pull

598
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,240
uh stats and figures out you know as

599
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,480
quickly as i could or you know as easily

600
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,960
as i could for for other diseases but

601
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,960
i'll tell you what the standard practice

602
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,799
is on this kind of thing which is

603
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,559
certainly the case for polio and we can

604
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,440
talk about that what what we see

605
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,919
time and again from the medical

606
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,480
statistical establishment

607
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,120
is that it's uh it's sort of there's

608
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,840
sort of a circular logic that's used

609
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,960
where

610
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,880
they'll ask

611
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,200
was in you know and i'd have to look

612
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,960
into this to verify that this is true

613
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,960
but we've seen this time and again in

614
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,480
other situations

615
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:53,679
they'll ask

616
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,679
was the dog vaccinated for rabies

617
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:00,559
and if the answer is yes

618
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,000
then they will cross out rabies as a

619
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,039
potential sickness for the dog

620
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,000
okay so what you see is it is is a is a

621
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,000
change in definition

622
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,520
but it doesn't

623
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,919
necessarily correlate with reality so

624
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,159
for instance in in india

625
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,520
right and we

626
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,280
you know this is a whole story on polio

627
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,280
that we could that we could and should

628
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,480
go into

629
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,480
which is that you know polio really

630
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,480
tracks with with

631
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:30,880
with the use of organophosphates

632
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,240
uh which are industrial chemicals and

633
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,200
uh insecticides that are known to cause

634
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:39,440
paralysis right so if you

635
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,480
if you

636
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,520
look at you know what is polio

637
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:44,960
holyoke is

638
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,840
paralysis if you look at india

639
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,039
where there's

640
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,279
there have been mass vaccination

641
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,559
campaigns

642
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,640
okay for polio

643
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:56,799
you're seeing that the polio the rate of

644
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,400
polio has gone you know down it's it's

645
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,480
it's fallen off a cliff with these

646
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,799
vaccination campaigns but at the same

647
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:07,679
time we've seen a rise in something

648
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,279
that's called acute flaccid paralysis

649
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,320
which has the exact same symptoms as

650
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,679
polio

651
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,880
but

652
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,720
you know it hasn't it has a different

653
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,679
name

654
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,120
so have

655
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:23,679
has paralysis gone down

656
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,720
no what's categorized as polio has gone

657
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,679
down

658
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,720
but have people gotten better no not at

659
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,720
all so you know i'd have to look at that

660
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,840
chart and i'd have to look at the

661
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,360
history of the chart and understand

662
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:38,159
where that came from what the statistics

663
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,279
you know

664
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,679
what terminology was used but i could

665
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,039
read you you know i could read you some

666
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,640
other things about rabies if you want to

667
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,159
hear

668
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,320
well but still i mean

669
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,720
come on we all know rabies isn't a

670
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,799
problem right now right there aren't

671
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,880
rabid dogs we never see you'll never see

672
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,159
a rabid dog

673
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,000
because all dogs are forced

674
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,240
they have forced vaccination for dogs we

675
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:02,799
just got a new dog big old puppy they're

676
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,440
vaccinated right and again this is just

677
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:06,880
simple stuff but if you go down to

678
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,279
mexico there's a lot of dogs who are not

679
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,640
on the street they're not vaccinated and

680
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,400
there's a lot more cases of rabies so

681
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,440
the problem here that we get into

682
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,559
is that

683
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,640
like there's a lot of good stuff in the

684
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,080
viral delusion

685
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,600
but the idea

686
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,720
that viruses never cause disease can

687
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,200
never cause disease is a jump the shark

688
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,840
moment it just isn't supported by any

689
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,840
science the graphic that i brought up

690
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:33,520
for you hold on the graphic that i

691
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,679
showed to you was fr this starts in 1938

692
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,440
right so we've been but we've been

693
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,679
tracking rabies for hundreds of years

694
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,520
but now you would have to like if you

695
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,400
were to sell me on the idea that they

696
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,640
did this pandemic thing over the last

697
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,919
two years i'd be like hell yeah i see

698
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,679
all the evidence i see how they planned

699
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:54,799
it how they

700
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,120
perpetuated phony science and they did

701
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,360
all these crazy things with masks and

702
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,520
quarantining and then the facts and all

703
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,440
that stuff i'm with you

704
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,440
but if you really want to sell me on the

705
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,159
idea that like just in this graph since

706
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,760
1938

707
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,679
they've been doing they've been playing

708
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,240
with the numbers for rabies and ant for

709
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,799
in dogs why in the world would they do

710
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,720
that and then secondly my own

711
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,520
observation is there's no problem with

712
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,679
rabies and dogs no one worries about

713
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,200
that and they do in these other

714
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,080
countries so i can just i'm staying on

715
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:31,679
that one issue

716
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,720
because otherwise i'm going to agree

717
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,400
with 90

718
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,720
of the stuff you guys are saying

719
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,520
but underneath that is this kind of

720
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,720
fundamental again jump the shark flat

721
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,279
earth kind of thing that you have to of

722
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,080
course viruses you can get a viral

723
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,279
overload and it can cause disease and at

724
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,279
the same time a lot of the things that

725
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,120
you're saying about germ theory and

726
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,080
terrain theory can be true as well both

727
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,559
can co-exist i don't know why it has to

728
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:05,120
be so absolute and i would add just this

729
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,159
last little bit and then i'm going to

730
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,159
turn over the mic again but what you're

731
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,200
saying it's not like mike wallach is is

732
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:13,679
cooking this stuff up on his own andrew

733
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,120
kaufman who you know is all over the

734
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,799
place in terms of being interviewed tom

735
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,120
cowan who's been on this show is a very

736
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:23,520
abrupt interview they would agree with

737
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,960
you on the whole no viral diseases ever

738
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,880
any kind it's all

739
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,840
never happens kind of thing so

740
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,480
jump the shark flat earth science i mean

741
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,559
am i being too too hard is there a

742
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,159
middle ground here does it have to be

743
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,240
all or nothing

744
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,559
i i i love it uh

745
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,159
you know i remember when i first came

746
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,480
out against masks and a friend of mine

747
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,640
in in my town said okay but at the end

748
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:50,080
of the day don't you

749
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,360
really don't you think like what's

750
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,559
really going on is you're just an

751
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,120
[\h__\h] you know i was like no that's

752
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,279
not what's really going on so and i

753
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,039
don't

754
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,880
we're talking about a really fundamental

755
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,559
perspective that i think it's really

756
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,919
important for people to understand so

757
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,000
let me just read you a little quote here

758
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,159
uh just pulled this up this morning

759
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,320
dr charles dulles lecturer on the

760
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,399
history of medicine at the university of

761
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,679
pennsylvania

762
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,279
who was appointed by the medical

763
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,200
societies of the state to investigate

764
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,760
rabies stated that he's inclined to the

765
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,840
view that there is no such specific

766
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,320
malady because after 16 years of

767
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,720
investigation he had failed to find a

768
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,799
single case on record that can be

769
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,799
conclusively proved to have resulted

770
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,120
from the bite of a dog or any other

771
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:35,200
cause

772
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:36,159
uh

773
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,000
i will i could do this all day

774
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,720
uh dr wilcox of new york investigated a

775
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,360
rabies scare because of 11 alleged

776
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,440
deaths from rabid dog bites upon

777
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
complete investigation it was found that

778
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,919
not one of those deaths was due to

779
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,279
rabies

780
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,960
with the publication of his report to

781
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,000
the city council the rabies scare ended

782
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,679
forth with

783
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,440
uh

784
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,919
dr elmer lee ended another rabies scare

785
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,399
on staten island on autopsy the rapid

786
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,240
dog was found to have died of thread

787
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,279
worms and not rabies the worms were

788
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,919
lodged in the heart of the animal a

789
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:15,679
similar finding of worms ended the

790
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,799
klondike rabies panic uh we can sort of

791
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,960
go through this

792
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,080
uh

793
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,880
like dozens and dozens of these

794
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,720
dr matthew woods another contemporary of

795
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,919
pastor

796
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:29,200
uh

797
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,240
then a leading member of the

798
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,159
philadelphia medical society wrote much

799
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,399
on the subject of rabies

800
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,640
uh he stated at the philadelphia dog

801
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,960
pound where on average more than 6 000

802
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:41,279
vagrant dogs are taken annually and

803
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,720
where the catchers and keepers are

804
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,880
frequently bitten while handling them

805
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,440
not one case of rabies has ever occurred

806
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:50,480
during its entire history of 25 years in

807
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,600
which time more than 150 thousand dogs

808
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,360
have been handled

809
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:57,279
the records of the london hospital a few

810
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,880
years ago showed two thousand uh 668

811
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,679
persons bitten by angry dogs none of

812
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,919
them developed rabies

813
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,559
uh st george's hospital london records 4

814
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:11,279
000 patients bitten by dogs supposed to

815
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,480
have been mad

816
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:15,919
and no cases of rabies

817
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,799
uh it just you can sort of go on and on

818
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,120
and on through the history i think

819
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,559
there's this

820
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,919
idea

821
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,200
out there

822
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,159
uh that that you know i think

823
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,840
essentially was

824
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,279
a scare

825
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,360
that was put out by pasteur

826
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:34,840
uh in the

827
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,279
1850s i believe that you know if an uh

828
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,520
an angry dog bit you

829
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:43,039
you would go mad

830
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,399
and you better

831
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:46,720
get this vaccine this is a this this is

832
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,480
a necessary treatment but there's just

833
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,159
the science isn't there to support it

834
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,240
the history doesn't support it you know

835
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:56,000
you can look at other countries at the

836
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,880
time

837
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,880
that had no cases of rabies there were

838
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,640
there were you know over and over and

839
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:02,320
over again

840
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,320
rabies was not an issue it was not uh uh

841
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,039
people weren't concerned about this uh

842
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,600
it was in the countries where pastor

843
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:14,720
institutes developed that we saw the

844
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,080
development of the fear of rabies

845
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,080
let's see and and i'm just you know

846
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:21,440
pulling this out of

847
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,320
you know

848
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,159
recent research here

849
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,919
recent research give us the dates on

850
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:27,440
some of those things that you're saying

851
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:30,640
i believe this is from a book called the

852
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,760
poison needle by eleanor mcbean

853
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,240
which is a real classic so that's from

854
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:38,159
like the 19

855
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,960
uh

856
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,159
i think that book was written in like

857
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,640
the 1920s

858
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,039
right so it's really not i mean do you

859
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,039
think that's still the case do you think

860
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,120
that's kind of up to date in terms of

861
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,880
modern day science and

862
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,799
if i brought i i think what i'm trying

863
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:54,399
to do is you know you were said you were

864
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,760
talking about

865
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,000
pre-1940s fear of rabies and so you were

866
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,159
saying oh there was this huge fear of

867
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
rabies before the 1940s before the

868
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,240
vaccination came along right but

869
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,600
actually that's that's not the case

870
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,519
there was a there was a fear but there

871
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,519
wasn't a reality to that

872
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,559
so i i invited mike to join us on the

873
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,720
show today because he's done some really

874
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,480
really wonderful research into the

875
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,640
history of the science uh on these

876
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,679
questions

877
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,480
and uh has a blog called viral uh

878
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,000
virology but it's for rolling

879
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,360
i can never pronounce it right but it's

880
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,120
got the word lie in there how do you say

881
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,399
it mike

882
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,399
uh i just say in virology but you can

883
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,880
say viral lie g is what i've heard a lot

884
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,640
of people say

885
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:40,159
anyway he's done really really

886
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,679
tremendous work going back through the

887
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,760
history of the actual uh scientific

888
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,679
papers and mike i don't know if you had

889
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,679
any thoughts on you know

890
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,440
rabies

891
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,840
yeah i think the the first thing just

892
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,679
going back to pasteur

893
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,559
that i find interesting is that he

894
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:57,600
never

895
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,679
isolated anything when he was developing

896
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,200
his vaccines

897
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,320
so it goes back to the fact that there

898
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,080
was no virus

899
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,679
there was nothing there that he could

900
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,200
physically see

901
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,279
observe manipulate he couldn't adhere to

902
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,960
the scientific method

903
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,760
when

904
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,240
uh creating his vaccinations so i know

905
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,159
you already spoke michael about some of

906
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,080
the fraud with pasture but he didn't

907
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,559
even know if his vaccines were safe or

908
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,200
if that what the efficacy of them were

909
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,679
which he had actually hidden which a lot

910
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,679
of his detractors at the time

911
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:34,000
were very much against

912
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:35,600
his

913
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:39,360
and hiding it from everyone to be able

914
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,320
to see

915
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,960
and from being able to you know

916
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,960
reproduce his work

917
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,120
so there's an issue with just from the

918
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,519
outset with rabies that they actually

919
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,279
never had a virus to begin with they

920
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,679
just had you know the effect and they're

921
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,080
they're assuming the cause with the

922
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,399
vaccine it was interesting with that

923
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,480
historian that you spoke of who actually

924
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,440
looked at past years notes he

925
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,720
admitted that most cases when people

926
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,200
were bitten by you know animals that

927
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,919
were said to be clearly rabid

928
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,800
they needed no treatment whatsoever

929
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,800
they were fine without treatment and in

930
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,159
many cases

931
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,960
the the vaccine itself was making people

932
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,720
sick there's actually studies that were

933
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,040
done in the 50s i believe if i remember

934
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,960
correctly i wrote about it where they

935
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,839
went through a lot of uh different

936
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:31,200
there was two different kind i can't

937
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,480
remember the names of them but there was

938
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,919
like neurological symptoms and

939
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,399
non-neurological symptoms created just

940
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,399
from the vaccines that were admitted to

941
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,240
be a cause from that

942
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,679
and not from rabies so it's a it was a

943
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,320
case where the vaccine was actually

944
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,800
causing the disease that it was supposed

945
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,560
to prevent and that the people that were

946
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,480
actually bitten by the animals the

947
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,040
rabbit animals were not expressing any

948
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,879
symptoms whatsoever they though those

949
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,640
who did not receive treatment were just

950
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,119
fine the ones who received the treatment

951
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,800
we're actually developing the symptoms

952
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,800
that were associated with rabies and

953
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:06,480
actually succumbing to it

954
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,200
yeah

955
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,760
that mike that reminds that reminds me

956
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,560
uh

957
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:12,560
that that's right that that

958
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,680
the pastor put a statistical

959
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,480
sort of rule in place for his vaccines

960
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:21,200
which was that if you die on the day you

961
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,359
were vaccinated uh or uh within i think

962
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:26,960
it was 20

963
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,760
something like 20 or 25 days of being

964
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:31,520
vaccinated

965
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:35,839
then you would not count as it as a as

966
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,240
having died from the vaccine

967
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,160
you would you you would be it would be

968
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,320
written down that you had died from

969
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,680
rabies

970
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,480
right

971
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,560
even though you were fine until you were

972
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,800
vaccinated right because we didn't have

973
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,200
cases of people going you know nuts or

974
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,800
whatever but they they would come in

975
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,320
fearful

976
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,000
become vaccinated they would die

977
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,520
and then they would it would be

978
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,760
after being vaccinated and then it would

979
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,680
be written down that they had died from

980
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,240
rabies not from the vaccine and and and

981
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,960
pasteur admits that in his notes and

982
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:14,000
this is covered by a professor

983
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:15,280
uh

984
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,079
you know you see the level of

985
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,920
statistical fraud

986
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,920
that that that goes on we saw the exact

987
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,599
same thing with uh with the covet

988
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:27,760
vaccinations right exact same fraud

989
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,359
which is that if you know if if you uh

990
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,040
for a while i think i they may have

991
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,480
given it up at this point but you know

992
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:36,960
for a while if you were injected with

993
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,400
the vaccine and you uh tested positive

994
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,760
uh using the pcr method for covid if it

995
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,320
was within three weeks of the vaccine

996
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,480
that it must be that it wasn't the

997
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,520
vaccine

998
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,000
you just didn't get it in time right

999
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,400
that was the that was the game

1000
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,280
uh right so i i think i i think i saw

1001
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,040
that same thing and i think it's pretty

1002
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,880
a reliable representation of what

1003
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,079
happened and the other thing i think

1004
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,000
that you're alluding to is the kind of

1005
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,760
cause of death thing which has been

1006
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,440
widely reported but

1007
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,839
people can go check it out it's

1008
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,599
verified over and over again with the

1009
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,079
kovit thing is like if you get admitted

1010
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,720
to the hospital with

1011
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,960
i don't know a broken leg you know or

1012
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,960
just came in with a car accident they're

1013
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,800
going to do a pcr test on you and if you

1014
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,440
come up as positive and then you die

1015
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,160
even if it's from complications from

1016
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,880
a car accident or gunshot wound or

1017
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,880
whatever we're going to chalk it up so

1018
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,720
there's all these

1019
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:37,599
all these verifiable

1020
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,839
scammy scammy health care fraud global

1021
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:44,079
bl basis kind of things that we can

1022
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,200
point to

1023
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,960
i don't want to

1024
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,960
spend all our time on the rabies thing

1025
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,720
but i do feel the need to wrestle it to

1026
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,119
the ground because i just gotta think i

1027
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,000
just gotta say i just am not at all

1028
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,720
at all convinced by uh what you guys are

1029
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,240
lying out there because

1030
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,359
here's how i would sum it up if this

1031
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,520
graph that i'm showing you

1032
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,440
is accurate

1033
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,359
then no everything you're saying is

1034
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,520
false right because what this graph

1035
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,960
shows people can't see it if they're

1036
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,359
just listening is that there's

1037
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:17,599
eight ten thousand cases of rabies a

1038
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,440
year in uh in the 1940s

1039
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,160
and today there's zero cases of rabies

1040
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,640
among humans and domestic animals in the

1041
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,480
united states and this graph is

1042
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,560
different in mexico and it's different

1043
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,760
in india so i wonder if we could at

1044
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,520
least agree

1045
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,079
that this graph if it is accurate like

1046
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,720
i'm just throwing it at you so you can't

1047
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,400
we would have to research it and stuff

1048
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,920
but if these numbers are accurate it

1049
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,040
would severely undermine your position

1050
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,440
in terms of that there is no there is no

1051
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,960
rabies because you're saying there is no

1052
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,359
rabies rabies never kills dogs and if

1053
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,240
you get by get bit by a rabid animal a

1054
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,880
skunk or a fox or whatever there's no

1055
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,560
problem you know don't go to the doctor

1056
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,079
don't worry about getting that rabies

1057
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,320
shot you'll be fine

1058
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,200
alex you're slightly misinterpreting uh

1059
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,880
what i'm saying and i think what what

1060
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,040
mike is saying uh again

1061
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,079
nobody's saying that there aren't

1062
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,000
dogs with the symptoms that we call

1063
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,839
rabies you can even call them dogs with

1064
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,520
rabies okay

1065
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,480
what uh what mike and i are arguing and

1066
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:24,000
what the scientists are arguing in the

1067
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,960
film

1068
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,200
is that

1069
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,760
is the story behind why those dogs are

1070
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,800
sick

1071
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,440
there's a story that that was invented

1072
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:35,599
about

1073
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,560
that says there's a little

1074
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,599
viral particle a little a tiny little

1075
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,440
particle little at first it was

1076
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,599
conceived as a protein then it was

1077
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:50,240
conceived as a little piece of dna and

1078
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,520
hold on let me just sit let me just

1079
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:53,200
interject so we don't get too far off

1080
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,079
track

1081
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,480
these numbers would support

1082
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,560
that hypothesis because what they

1083
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,760
followed here this procedure is exactly

1084
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:04,560
following that path the science here was

1085
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,000
to go and isolate that little thing and

1086
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,640
then treat it the way that they have

1087
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,480
said that they treated it and this is

1088
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,240
the result that they got they they're

1089
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,240
not treating it a different way there

1090
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:17,839
isn't this global

1091
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,119
kind of scam over the last 80 years in

1092
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,160
terms of how to treat rabies

1093
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,480
oh sure sure there is

1094
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,319
sure there's definitely but it's

1095
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,000
incredibly effective it's incredibly

1096
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,599
effective i don't understand what you're

1097
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,720
arguing if it is this effective your you

1098
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,880
seem to be arguing that yeah it's been

1099
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,800
super effective but it's not effective

1100
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,920
because of

1101
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,240
anything that they've said i mean that

1102
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,560
doesn't square with just common sense

1103
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,960
people would go no well i would tend to

1104
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,880
believe that it's the science that

1105
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,040
they've applied to it in this case that

1106
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,040
doesn't mean that in every case and all

1107
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,400
the ways that we're talking about but it

1108
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,040
seems to be such an all or nothing thing

1109
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,880
with you guys regarding viruses it's

1110
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,720
just because it's just because the there

1111
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,000
there's no

1112
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,839
the you can repeat the point again and

1113
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:06,000
again that the the science isn't there

1114
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,040
but

1115
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,520
i'll i'll put it this way let me take a

1116
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,240
look at this chart the next time we talk

1117
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,560
hopefully i will have some commentary on

1118
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,800
it and what were the methods used to

1119
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,800
come up with this chart and and then we

1120
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,319
could talk you know in more detail

1121
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,000
because i haven't seen this chart before

1122
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,560
i'm happy to investigate it and see if i

1123
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,960
can you know go back and look at it and

1124
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,880
and and see how they you know where the

1125
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,680
data uh came from on that you know

1126
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,280
fair enough fair enough you guys have

1127
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,960
been incredibly open and engaging i'm

1128
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,960
sorry mike go ahead please yeah i'm just

1129
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,720
gonna say it's hard to compare too like

1130
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,160
if you're talking about america where

1131
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,400
dogs are domesticated in houses and you

1132
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,800
know living in cleaner environments and

1133
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,800
conditions like that of course they're

1134
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,560
not going to get as sick as dogs that

1135
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,400
are out in the wild sometimes you know

1136
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,440
you've got to look at the different

1137
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,720
living conditions whether they're

1138
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,040
exposed different environmental toxins

1139
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,920
things along those lines in order to

1140
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,560
uh look at the data and

1141
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,200
see if there's a potential they're cause

1142
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,480
the thing that we're getting at is

1143
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,520
there's no

1144
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,079
proof that there is this virus rabies

1145
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,400
virus particle they never purified and

1146
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,400
isolated the particle that was called

1147
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,560
rabies and have shown

1148
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,800
that by taking that purified isolated

1149
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,480
particle they can cause rabies in

1150
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,720
another animal there's also no proof

1151
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,880
that if you get bit by a dog or an

1152
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,400
animal that's rabbit that you're gonna

1153
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,560
get that same disease that's just never

1154
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,760
been the case

1155
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,920
great well i tell you what again hats

1156
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:31,839
off to you guys for totally fully

1157
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,720
engaging with the topic i want to return

1158
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,680
to the film and the film series because

1159
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,760
people need to know what's out there

1160
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,200
there's a ton of good information in

1161
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,960
there and i want people to do it so i

1162
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,280
want to play a clip from that i also

1163
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,359
want to stress that your position here

1164
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,720
the position that you guys are taking

1165
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:50,000
are not like

1166
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,880
some

1167
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,400
it's not you

1168
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,359
if i had andrew kaufman and tom collins

1169
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,160
they would say the exact same thing that

1170
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,440
you just said i don't think you're

1171
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,280
misrepresenting

1172
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,359
that point at all so i'll tell you what

1173
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,359
let me play for folks

1174
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,720
a clip from the viral delusion the

1175
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:11,839
pseudoscience of sars co

1176
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,040
and the madness of modern virology and

1177
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,440
then we'll talk some more about it

1178
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,720
sounds great

1179
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,640
and that's when i just started saying

1180
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,599
okay

1181
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,880
let's figure out what's going on i'm

1182
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,800
going to start at the very beginning

1183
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,200
i'm going to look at the papers that

1184
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,599
discover the virus and

1185
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,920
you know take it wherever it leads me

1186
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,800
and

1187
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,359
i never expected to find

1188
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,599
that those papers didn't actually show

1189
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,880
any virus

1190
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,200
in the studies and and then the most

1191
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,920
important studies claiming

1192
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,599
zazcroft ii

1193
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,760
uh they haven't purified the particles

1194
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,839
and without purification

1195
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:52,000
and finally isolation

1196
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:52,800
you

1197
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,520
and the first thing i did i actually

1198
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,599
went to look for uh

1199
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:01,280
the

1200
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,560
control

1201
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,040
published under the name zoo and others

1202
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,040
which was the first uh supposed

1203
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,839
isolation of the sarsko ii

1204
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,920
and of course immediately found uh

1205
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,880
incredible discrepancies and

1206
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,400
a methodology that

1207
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,160
you know didn't isolate anything there

1208
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,640
is no virus there the cdc admitted last

1209
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,880
december they don't have any insurgency

1210
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,440
to to compare with the pcr test to see

1211
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,520
if that's what it's actually detecting

1212
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,920
absolutely can tell you after a year of

1213
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,800
looking

1214
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,000
there has not been one case literature

1215
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,200
where a virologist or a scientist took

1216
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:44,880
somebody was sick

1217
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,319
did the normal isolation procedures and

1218
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,880
said here is this virus

1219
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,800
the old thing is it's been a scam from

1220
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,960
the beginning because this isn't about

1221
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:56,720
the science

1222
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:00,000
covert 19 sars code 2 is nothing to do

1223
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,280
with science

1224
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,040
otherwise it would have all been

1225
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,079
debunked months ago

1226
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,319
okay we'll stop it right there first of

1227
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,400
all let's talk about

1228
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,680
the film series in general very very

1229
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,319
beautifully done professionally done

1230
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,079
tell us a little bit about the process a

1231
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:20,240
lot of interviews here must take a long

1232
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,200
time

1233
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,440
to compile all these

1234
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,280
tell us about the filmmaking process a

1235
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,560
little bit

1236
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,480
oh sure so i had been i had been

1237
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,280
screenwriting uh and working you know

1238
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,200
with a with a foot in hollywood for the

1239
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,760
past 10 years and i i

1240
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,800
when i realized the depth of this story

1241
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,440
i immediately thought this you know

1242
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,480
there should be a movie about this

1243
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,160
somebody needs to tell this story and

1244
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,400
and uh it was pretty obvious that you

1245
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,440
know i was going to be able to go to

1246
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,720
netflix or amazon uh you know to get it

1247
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:51,599
made

1248
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,319
before uh so i'm a little shy uh in

1249
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,920
terms of

1250
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,280
you know picking up the phone and

1251
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,640
calling people to say hey do you want to

1252
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,720
be in my documentary because honestly i

1253
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,640
had no idea if it was even going to work

1254
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,839
you know if it was if we were going to

1255
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,359
be able to tell the story well but what

1256
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,480
i found was that the the

1257
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,079
the doctors and the scientists that i

1258
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,920
called you know for the most part

1259
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,240
absolutely thrilled to be able to to

1260
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:19,599
have a platform to speak out i did

1261
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:23,040
speak to a couple of scientists who were

1262
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,160
just so

1263
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,640
really wonderful people who had been so

1264
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,960
beaten down that they just felt it was

1265
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,040
hopeless to even bother speaking out i

1266
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,000
don't want to name names but some really

1267
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,079
really top-notch people

1268
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,200
who just felt like they didn't even want

1269
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,920
to engage with society anymore because

1270
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,960
that

1271
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,720
they had been so burnt

1272
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,640
uh when they had tried to speak out

1273
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,280
about the aids situation really i mean

1274
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,680
like a whole generation of absolutely

1275
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,400
brilliant scientists who were destroyed

1276
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:57,520
by fouchy and and his

1277
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,800
machine uh that you know that said hiv

1278
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,160
is the cause of aids and if you don't

1279
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,400
agree shut shut up and and we will

1280
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,599
destroy you

1281
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,599
and and and so there were numerous

1282
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,440
people from that world

1283
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,520
who were just too depressed to talk to

1284
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,960
me but there were still

1285
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,359
a number of people from that world who

1286
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,760
survived it emotionally and uh and

1287
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,680
really it was like a it was a little bit

1288
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:22,160
of a minefield really in terms of the

1289
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,920
all of the different characters that had

1290
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,160
lived through that war that scientific

1291
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,040
war but but enough uh

1292
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,720
you know there was a

1293
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,319
there was still enough hope there among

1294
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,400
us you know a certain crowd and

1295
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,839
you know that was like to me that was

1296
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,839
one of the most exciting things because

1297
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,200
whereas i knew

1298
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,960
you know i had known the polio story and

1299
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,280
the smallpox story for a long time the

1300
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,440
the secret history of aids was something

1301
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,400
i had

1302
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,880
you know very little knowledge about

1303
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,559
and so you know i didn't know that you

1304
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,760
know

1305
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,960
really

1306
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,200
a huge portion of the world's greatest

1307
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,920
scientists were trying to speak out and

1308
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,280
trying to say

1309
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,720
this is not true this this is not it's

1310
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,800
certainly not supported by

1311
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,559
the scientific evidence to claim that

1312
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,720
hiv is the cause of aids

1313
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:11,359
and it's it's contradicted by the

1314
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,319
evidence

1315
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,880
so that to discover that there were all

1316
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:17,280
these nobel prize winners and brilliant

1317
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,160
people

1318
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,319
uh brilliant scientists mathematicians

1319
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,720
biochemists physicists electron

1320
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:24,640
microscopists

1321
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,280
uh physicians

1322
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,599
gynecologists this huge array of of a

1323
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,680
genius that that had tried to fight the

1324
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,920
system and just you know fauci had

1325
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,160
basically played media whack-a-mole with

1326
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,160
them every time they popped up

1327
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,599
um

1328
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,599
that that was just like so inspiring but

1329
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,720
you know like some of the people that i

1330
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,000
interviewed just like

1331
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,079
burst into tears after our interviews

1332
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,920
because they hadn't had a chance to talk

1333
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,079
about it for 20 years there were you

1334
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,599
know it's it's

1335
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,160
it it was a really moving experience to

1336
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,599
discover that i was not the first person

1337
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,079
to uh tell this story

1338
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,960
and you know everybody that i spoke to

1339
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,800
would have other people that they could

1340
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,440
turn to you know who also

1341
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:10,480
had fought this fight like jim west

1342
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:13,839
who's a fantastic researcher who wrote a

1343
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,119
very simple uh clearly elucidated book

1344
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:18,400
on polio

1345
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,720
called polio virology versus toxicity

1346
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:25,119
and you know what he had discovered was

1347
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,640
that there had been all these doctors

1348
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,559
and scientists back in the 50s who had

1349
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,480
been trying to speak out and in the 40s

1350
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:32,400
that had been trying to speak out and

1351
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,319
they too had been destroyed politically

1352
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,000
their careers attacked you know when i

1353
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,040
spoke to don lester and david parker

1354
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,280
who wrote what really makes you ill you

1355
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:44,559
know they pointed me to charles

1356
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,760
creighton who was a british doctor

1357
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,680
around the turn of the century

1358
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,040
and uh

1359
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,760
people had people had asked

1360
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,520
creighton because he was such a

1361
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,440
well-esteemed

1362
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,520
british doctor to write the

1363
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,280
encyclopedia entry

1364
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,240
for smallpox vaccinations

1365
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:06,160
and this is for the encyclopedia

1366
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,359
britannica

1367
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,520
he went about

1368
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,280
looking at the history of smallpox

1369
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:13,839
vaccinations looking at all the data

1370
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,559
and to his shock and surprise realized

1371
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:19,680
that they were a fraud that they had

1372
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,559
absolutely no relationship with

1373
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,440
the rise or decline of smallpox

1374
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:27,920
and then he uh he wrote that

1375
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,040
as his uh encyclopedia britannica

1376
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,240
uh entry but uh it was then deleted and

1377
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,800
he was then attacked so

1378
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,400
there's like there's a really

1379
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,480
extraordinary history you know whether

1380
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,240
it's eleanor mcbean

1381
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,119
uh back in the 1920s or whether it's

1382
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,400
ethel hume i think she wrote in like

1383
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,920
1910 or something like that talking

1384
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:51,359
about uh

1385
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,200
beshamp and his uh attempts to out uh

1386
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,359
past store for pastors fraudulent

1387
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,800
science there's like a

1388
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,359
huge history of people who've been

1389
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,920
trying to uh

1390
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,720
to

1391
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,280
get the word out among scientists among

1392
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,599
doctors and just among you know ordinary

1393
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,319
people like us that we are

1394
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,800
have been sort of wrapped up

1395
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,960
in a in a scam

1396
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,200
for a very long time

1397
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,280
so mike tell people real quickly about

1398
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,079
the product itself like i said uh the

1399
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,400
the first episode is still available for

1400
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,240
free from the website and then the

1401
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:29,920
additional episodes come bundled

1402
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,319
together it's 12 bucks you get to watch

1403
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,559
how many hours is it total

1404
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,079
uh so the whole thing is seven and a

1405
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,319
half hours total uh the first two and a

1406
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,640
half hours are free and uh yeah we just

1407
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,839
asked that if you you know if you

1408
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,280
enjoyed the first two and a half hours

1409
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,559
if you feel like you got something out

1410
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,720
of that and you want to investigate the

1411
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,440
history of it you know the rest is 11.99

1412
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,040
in terms of the structure of it we look

1413
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,480
really uh

1414
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,880
really really really carefully at covid

1415
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,119
uh in that first episode and then in the

1416
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,440
second episode we go back and we look at

1417
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,119
the history of virology

1418
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,119
and the birth of virology which really

1419
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,520
came about you know in the

1420
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,800
you know the beginning of the 20th

1421
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:09,119
century in the 1950s

1422
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:10,000
uh

1423
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,559
measles so we look really carefully at

1424
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,599
polio

1425
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,480
uh and then in the third episode we look

1426
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,079
at we look at uh smallpox uh we look at

1427
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,680
the spanish flu

1428
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,680
and a really fun one we look at the

1429
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:27,040
great plague

1430
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:31,520
black death and then in

1431
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,880
episode four uh we look at uh

1432
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:37,280
the history of aids and uh and then you

1433
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,160
know

1434
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,640
essentially so much of what is called

1435
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,720
virology today is

1436
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:43,680
uh

1437
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,800
genomic sequencing so we took a really

1438
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,359
close look at genomic sequencing in the

1439
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,119
fifth episode

1440
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,359
great i'll tell you what as a way to

1441
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,920
kind of wrap this up why don't we return

1442
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,119
to that

1443
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:01,599
opening quote that i read

1444
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,720
that uh i think we could all get behind

1445
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,880
and and you're talking about

1446
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,359
the possibility you're being a little

1447
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,680
optimistic which we all need

1448
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,359
with this topic

1449
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:16,800
you know what is the possibility for

1450
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,240
freeing ourselves from misguided medical

1451
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,440
authorities disastrous health protocols

1452
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,880
and the corruption and injustice of this

1453
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,359
system what what is the what is the

1454
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,000
possibility in what ways are you

1455
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:34,559
not pollyanna but are you maybe

1456
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,240
optimistic that things can change course

1457
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,160
yeah i think there's a huge

1458
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,520
there's there have been a lot of

1459
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,000
positives to this obviously insanely

1460
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,119
negative story and the big one is that

1461
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,680
uh a lot of people have decided to look

1462
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:51,760
into all these topics

1463
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,599
and uh and and a lot of the illegitimate

1464
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,280
trust that people had in the medical

1465
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,680
establishment is no longer there

1466
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,040
uh so

1467
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,559
you know for the first time in a long

1468
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,559
time i think there's a lot of people who

1469
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,839
are uh willing to walk away

1470
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,400
from that establishment they don't trust

1471
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,200
their doctors anymore they recognize

1472
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,359
that their doctors are not as well

1473
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:17,359
educated on these issues as they thought

1474
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,480
they were

1475
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,839
they don't trust the cdc or the fda

1476
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,440
or nih

1477
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,720
and their pronouncements and

1478
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,200
proclamations because they can see for

1479
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,839
themselves that the models they use

1480
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,000
don't turn out to be true that their

1481
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,119
statements contradict each other

1482
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:36,640
that

1483
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:40,960
scare tactics and fear campaigns are the

1484
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,079
bread and butter of these agencies so

1485
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,480
for the first time in a long time we

1486
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:47,520
have

1487
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:48,640
a

1488
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,720
right where

1489
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,440
what's the vision for where we go

1490
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,760
and you know

1491
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,319
it's it's obviously this is that's a

1492
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,960
conversation and i can't prescribe where

1493
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:10,319
that vision is going to go for other

1494
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,200
people

1495
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,119
but what

1496
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,680
to me would be a real tragedy would be

1497
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:17,839
if people walked out of that system and

1498
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:21,359
then rebuilt that very same system

1499
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:22,400
of

1500
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,680
you know pseudoscience and authorities

1501
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,559
uh who who you know sit you know on top

1502
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,520
of these

1503
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,400
institutions and make proclamations that

1504
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,880
that can't be verified and don't follow

1505
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:38,000
uh actual science natural science so you

1506
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:39,359
know my hope

1507
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,640
is that we can uh

1508
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,559
return to

1509
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:45,599
a

1510
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,520
know in the in

1511
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,079
you know before world war ii

1512
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,880
there were two branches of

1513
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,280
medicine or medical science that were

1514
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,880
growing very rapidly and those were

1515
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,839
nutrition and toxicology that was the

1516
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,400
study of you know our health in terms of

1517
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,799
what we eat and our health in terms of

1518
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,280
you know what pollutants uh are around

1519
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,839
us from industrial society

1520
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,240
and both of those were almost uh

1521
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:18,640
completely wiped out by the growth of

1522
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,760
virology in the 1950s because

1523
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,079
in my opinion it was

1524
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,480
far more modifiable

1525
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,079
to scare people

1526
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,720
about viruses and then to

1527
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:33,520
provide them with pills and injections

1528
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,880
uh than it was to look at health uh from

1529
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,520
a nutritional point of view or from the

1530
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:41,760
perspective of uh in what ways are we

1531
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,240
being uh you know poisoned by what's

1532
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,799
around us so i i hope that when we walk

1533
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,720
out or as we walk out

1534
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:50,880
we can rebuild these these really

1535
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,920
foundational sciences and approaches

1536
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,400
which are based on living you know

1537
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:58,160
healthy health healthy lives in a

1538
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,280
healthy world

1539
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,240
great mike we we haven't

1540
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,319
we haven't looped you in enough any

1541
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,040
final thoughts as we wrap things up

1542
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,440
no i i completely agree with michael you

1543
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,240
know it's been a bad situation the last

1544
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,880
few years but if there is a shining

1545
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,040
light it's that people are becoming more

1546
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,960
aware of the problems they're they're

1547
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,000
seeing

1548
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,799
that there are fundamental issues with

1549
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,040
science that we are being presented with

1550
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,280
and so i do see people challenging this

1551
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,680
and questioning it and trying to you

1552
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,520
know halt

1553
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,680
the the path that we're on and steering

1554
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,920
us in towards uh you know a path that

1555
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,079
goes back towards you know real science

1556
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,000
following the scientific method and

1557
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,119
making sure what we are shown actually

1558
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,440
has you know some value to it that

1559
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,160
that's you know reproducible repeatable

1560
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,079
that the information you know we're not

1561
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,599
just going to accept information just

1562
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,200
because someone with a white coat is

1563
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,280
telling us that this is the truth people

1564
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,200
are actually exploring it and searching

1565
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,359
for the truth for themselves and you

1566
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:01,680
know making sure that this is accurate

1567
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,880
information so to me at least to i see

1568
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,079
that in a positive direction there's a

1569
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,240
lot more people in position of power or

1570
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,000
authority that are coming out stepping

1571
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,559
out like dr kaufman cowan you know the

1572
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,599
baileys

1573
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:16,000
they've been excellent dr scoglio you

1574
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,359
know a lot of people michael interviewed

1575
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:19,200
but i mean there's more and more popping

1576
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,799
up every day that are questioning the

1577
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,559
narrative right now and are sounding

1578
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,720
alarm and i think you know

1579
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,240
whether they agree with us on our

1580
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,760
position or not at least people are

1581
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,680
looking at it and

1582
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,640
you know i think we have to return to a

1583
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,040
place where we're our own experts not

1584
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:37,280
just trusting people in the position of

1585
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,559
authority

1586
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,920
so i see progress in that sense

1587
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,200
great the film that you're going to want

1588
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,640
to check out again is the viral delusion

1589
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,160
our guests have been

1590
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,359
michael wallach the producer director of

1591
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,200
really very well done film

1592
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:55,200
and uh mike stone has been nice enough

1593
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,920
to

1594
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,839
jump in here and

1595
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,839
bat around some ideas so thanks to both

1596
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,079
of you for joining me

1597
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,520
uh thank you alex thanks for having us

1598
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,960
thanks again to michael wallock for

1599
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,119
joining me today on skeptico and a

1600
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,040
special thanks to john from the

1601
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,200
skeptical forum for reaching out and

1602
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,880
making this connection

1603
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,119
i really enjoyed having the chance to

1604
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,280
have a dialogue on this topic

1605
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,240
you know i searched for a bio on mike

1606
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,280
wallock before the show and kind of my

1607
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,960
own lack of i should have looked for

1608
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,119
michael wallock rather than mike wallock

1609
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,079
at any rate i did find it afterwards and

1610
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,119
i thought it was so so interesting that

1611
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,720
i wanted to read it and add it to the

1612
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:37,680
show

1613
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,720
mike wallock is a graduate of cornell

1614
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:42,400
who holds a master's degree in

1615
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,280
international affairs from columbia he

1616
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,359
went on to become a presidential

1617
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,760
management fellow for the state

1618
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,319
department where he was giving briefings

1619
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,880
to president obama but

1620
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,280
frustrated with the misuse of his work

1621
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,160
he left the government to pursue his

1622
01:00:04,990 --> 01:00:02,720
dream of filmmaking

1623
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,000
wallach's first script the bay an

1624
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,280
ecological thriller by the way you might

1625
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,680
want to watch the trailer on that one

1626
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,079
particularly in light of kind of trying

1627
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,400
to put all these pieces together anyways

1628
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:16,799
that movie the bay was directed by

1629
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,480
oscar-winning director barry levinson

1630
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,119
who was also behind wag the dog good

1631
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:24,799
morning vietnam

1632
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
and some other just huge huge movies

1633
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,960
so i thought that was very interesting

1634
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:33,599
in terms of a background for this guy

1635
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:36,880
who has this new documentary series

1636
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:39,760
the viral delusion

1637
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,040
what do you think about that

1638
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,960
let me know

1639
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,720
until next time

1640
01:00:50,490 --> 01:00:48,160
take care

1641
01:01:04,080 --> 01:00:50,500
bye for now